From: owner-ytriples-l-digest To: ytriples-l-digest Subject: ytriples-l-digest V1 #186 Reply-To: ytriples-l Errors-To: owner-ytriples-l-digest Precedence: bulk ytriples-l-digest Tuesday, 22 July 1997 Volume 01 : Number 186 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mxtplk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:04:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Re-synthetic oils 'n stuff Jeff Munson wrote: > > Michael Sommers wrote: > > > > Hydrocarbons are the same thing as saying carbon. > > Well, duh! Hence hydroCARBON, as opposed to hydroCONCRETE or > hydroPETUNIA, or even hydroBEER (although there is carbon in beer, > dontcha know). ;-) > > I don't think that there is anything elementally different. It's just > got longer chains of the same stuff. > > Jeff > ------------ > This message is copyright: Jeff Munson , > and the content is their responsibility. > The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider > assume no responsibility for the content of messages. > === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === Jeff, you only left out Ontario HYDRO! :) Yes, no weak points in the backbone carbon chain in synthetics (perhaps a "monomer", like Propane?), as opposed to many such weak points in "Natural" oils, which are a mixture of different chain lengths, like onto Gezzolene (ugh!). :) Herb - ------------ This message is copyright: mxtplk , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ From: Kirt Howe Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Re-synthetic oils 'n stuff HERB SAID)) >Kirt, just curious about a trifle: Do you know if the 850 gearbox >dipstick tool would work on the 750's? If so, I have the original Yamaha >white plastic tool that came in the tool kit and could post measurements >for same. > >Herb Hhhhmmmmmmmm---I don't know about that. I think that the 850 series had different oil capacities (especially if they run an oil cooler). Wouldn't that cause the readings on the dipsticks to be erroneous? Anyway, someone posted the measurements from the dipstick (the one for the 750) on the list a while back---they are available in the archive---keyword is "dipstick". Also, I apologize to all for my earlier statement that synthectic oils are "not carbon based". Of course they are....they are just tweaked quite a bit from the natural form. Consider this just a "slip of the dumb" please. Kirt Howe Facilities Manager / Loss prevention Cornell Business Services Phone 607-255-4111 Fax 607-254-4577 Voice Mail 607-255-4337 - ------------ This message is copyright: Kirt Howe , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ From: fialkoff@esun19.gdc.com Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:39:10 -0400 Subject: Re: WINDJAMMER Which Windjammer model do you have? I may have a set of used lenses if you can describe them to me. Thanks BJF '79 XS 750 standard (converted) - --- Begin Included Message --- From POP3-Server@mailhost Mon Jul 21 08:30:39 1997 Received: from gdc.com (inet-gw.gdc.com [172.16.3.175]) by techmail.gdc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/NCSHUB-1.6) with SMTP id QAA28466 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rogue.basenji.com ([207.71.92.188]) by gate6.gdc.com with ESMTP id <32259>; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:07:26 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by rogue.basenji.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27874 for ytriples-l-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 13:59:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rogue.basenji.com: majordom set sender to owner-ytriples-l using -f Received: from ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.66]) by rogue.basenji.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27869 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 13:59:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cx40499-a.cv1.sdca.home.com ([24.0.155.8]) by ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA13274 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 13:02:45 -0700 Message-ID: <33D11D1B.7499@home.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:01:31 -0400 From: "John B. O'Donnell" Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-AtHome0305 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ytriples-l@basenji.com Subject: Re: WINDJAMMER References: <3.0.32.19970718142157.007337dc@pangea.ca> <33D065FC.16B0@nji.com> <33D06E56.E7EDEF78@otak.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ytriples-l@basenji.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ytriples-l@basenji.com Statuved: from gdc.com (inet-gw.gdc.com [172.16.3.175]) by techmail.gdc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/NCSHUB-1.6) with SMTP id QAA28466 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rogue.basenji.com ([207.71.92.188]) by gate6.gdc.com with ESMTP id <32259>; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:07:26 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by rogue.basenji.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27874 for ytriples-l-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 13:59:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rogue.basenji.com: majordom set sender to owner-ytriples-l using -f Received: from ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.66]) by rogue.basenji.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27869 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 13:59:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cx40499-a.cv1.sdca.home.com ([24.0.155.8]) by ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA13274 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 13:02:45 -0700 Message-ID: <33D11D1B.7499@home.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:01:31 -0400 From: "John B. O'Donnell" Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-AtHome0305 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ytriples-l@basenji.com Subject: Re: WINDJAMMER References: <3.0.32.19970718142157.007337dc@pangea.ca> <33D065FC.16B0@nji.com> <33D06E56.E7EDEF78@otak.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ytriples-l@basenji.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ytriples-l@basenji.com Content-Length: 1459 Status: O Kurt Krueger wrote: > > I hate to ask for this request as I love my triple the way it is but I > am looking for a windjammer that will fit the 750 special as I just > moved and will be commuting about 30 miles to work and want a little > more weather protection and my F250 is getting too expensive to drive > everyday. Is there a company that makes these that will fit? I have a Windjammer on my 750 that came with it. When I tried to find a right turn signal lens I was told that the company is out of business. > Are they > hard to install? What happens to performance? Anyone have any input > they can offer. I have been using the small windshield for a while but > being 6'5" it just doesn't cover me very well. Sorry, can'rt help with these questions. -- jbod > > kurt, > Vancouver, WA. > > ------------ > This message is copyright: Kurt Krueger , > and the content is their responsibility. > The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider > assume no responsibility for the content of messages. > === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === - ------------ This message is copyright: "John B. O'Donnell" , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === - --- End Included Message --- - ------------ This message is copyright: fialkoff@esun19.gdc.com, and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ From: mxtplk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:43:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Re-synthetic oils 'n stuff Kirt Howe wrote: > > Mike said)) > >> No, syn. oil ... is not petro. (read > >>CARBON) based > > > >What are synthetic oils made of, if not carbon? > > D'uh? Don't know exactly......I'm no chemist. The reviews I've read > concerning Syn. oils all use the terms "long-chain polymers (sp?), what > ever that means. My original statement "not peto. based" was ment to say > that they are not directly manufactured from a crude oil base. I suppose > that it is entirely possible that they are made with a "tweaked" carbon > base. My point is that any oil that is directly refined from crude oil is, > by its' basic nature, a "true" carbon based oil, and is subject to becoming > an abrasive semi-solid when pushed to extreams. I watched the ads for > Mobile 1, and later Castrol Syntec, where they heat the syn. oils up to > about 500F, and not much happens. They then did the same thing with a > premium grade regular oil, and it turned to sludge.....being a major > sceptic of ads, I decided to do my own comparison. Guess what? My own > results were just the same! Regular oil thickens up, and eventually starts > turning to sludge, just like the ad showed. The synthetic oil was almost > totally unaffected by the heat. I doubt that you will ever get the oil in > your engine hot enough to cause this to happen, but for my money it is > still better to be safe than sorry. Also, all of the INDEPENDANT tests > I've read show that the syn. oil is more stabil at ALL temperatures--both > hot and cold, and that the syn. oil has better cling value, and better > "shear strength" than conventional oils. > Please understand that I am NOT here to try to sell one point of > view....If you are happy with, and have had good luck with a conventional > oil, by all means stick with it......I have had very good luck with--and am > extreamly happy with the results that I get with the Syn. oil, so I am > "sold" on it. > > Kirt Howe > Facilities Manager / Loss prevention > Cornell Business Services > Phone 607-255-4111 > Fax 607-254-4577 > Voice Mail 607-255-4337 > 1978 Yamaha XS750SE > XSXSXSXSXSXS .---. XSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXS / \ XSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXS / \ XSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXS O.'\._____./'.O XSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXS [=/ -...-' \=] XSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXS |-._ ___ _.-| XSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXS (O)\|___|/(O) XSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXS \ |_____| / XSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXS \|\___/|/ XSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXS |||xsx||| XSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXS +|sxs|+ XSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXS !_|xsx|_! XSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXS |sxs| XSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXSXS |xsx| XSXSXSXSXSXSXS > > ------------ > This message is copyright: Kirt Howe , > and the content is their responsibility. > The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider > assume no responsibility for the content of messages. > === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === More Chemistry 101 stuff: Carbon is the basis for diamonds, as everyone know, which is the hardest thing known to man (heh-heh), in the form of diamonds (all four "connections" occupied by other carbon atoms). All you have to do to create diamonds is to strip off all the little "H's" (hydrogen atoms) by heating petroleum and compressing it. That's what a really hot engine MAY do to oil. Of course, you won't get the "Kooh-i-noor" diamond, but you MAY create some microcsopic rocks in the oil (note disclaimer: I merely speculate!). "Natural" motor oil consists of a "soup" of hydrcarbons having many different lengths of carbon chains (H-C=C-H, H-C=C=C-H, etc. NOTE: The other two arms of the "C" atoms should also be shown attached to "H's") and with many of these long chains having "defects", or weak points in the chain (joints that are weaker due to the inclusion of impurities that replace a "C" in the chain). This is where ordinary oils fail by breaking apart. The resulting short lengths of carbon chain have different chemical properties than the long chains do (they turn from a lube into an abrasive sludge). The heating may be sufficient to disconnect the impurities from the carbon, resulting in a "free radical" that may form bonds with other free radicals to create the 3-dimensional lattice typical of diamond structure, which has no "give" or "flex", like a long chain does. Hey! It sounds good to me! ;) Herb - ------------ This message is copyright: mxtplk , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ From: Rick Raske Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:47:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Circle-the-Lake Road Trip! Warning: Cross-posted to MITM, XS-11, and y-triples lists. It's about to begin - a circle Lake Michigan trip. Tentative plan follows. If anyone wants to hook up for riding and/or refreshments, please LMK. We plan on tenting it most of the time, so campground recommendations would help. Also, if anyone has any advice, things ya can't miss, or things ya must miss, ditto the LMK. My bud and I plan on leaving Kenosha, WI, on Saturday, 7/26/97, but might leave on Friday instead. Depends on how late I'm at the office on Friday, how many chores have to be done, etc., etc. All dates are based on leaving on Saturday, but we're pretty flexible - might spend a day longer in one area or another. Saturday - 7/26/97: destination: Green Bay, WI. Oneida Casino. Sunday - 7/27/97: destination: Ontonagon, MI. Suprise visit to a relative. Monday - 7/28/97: destination: somewhere either in eastern UP, Mackinaw City area, whatever. Tuesday - 7/29/97: destination: Sleeping Bear Dune Park, eastern shore of Lake Michigan. Wednesday - 7/30/97: destination: Holland, MI, area. Thursday - 7/31/97: destination: Crown Point, IN (more relatives!), or home. The undecided parts are kind of Monday-Thursday - alreadly know we don't want to spend too much time with the relatives! Also, kind of think time might just get away from us if there's really good riding in either UP or lower Michigan. TIA, Rick Raske "CowPoke" Kenosha, WI '79 XS750SF 'Spud' '79 XS1100SF 'Bear' - ------------ This message is copyright: Rick Raske , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ From: mxtplk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:03:47 -0700 Subject: Emergency spares to carry on road trips Thomas Liggin wrote: > > Now for a less serious topic: Clutch cable failure. Isn't it fun to ride > home without benefit of a clutch? :) > > This happened to me once while I still lived about 15 miles in the deep > woods. I had a very nice 3rd gear ride home.. > > TomTom Liggin email:tslstu@westga.edu > 1981 XS1100H / 1977 XS750D "Tripoli" > > XSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXS O._ ___ _.O SXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSX / \(O|O)/ \ XSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXS o/\___/\o SXSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXSX \_____/ XSXSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXS /\___/\ SXSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSX O-\[___]/-O XSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXS |[BAD]| SXSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXS =|'...'|= SXSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXSX ./>\<.(o) XSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXSXS \ SXSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXSXS >\< XSXSXSXSXSXSXSXS > XSXSXSXSXSXSXSX <\> XSXSXSXSXSXSXSXS > XS750D XSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXSXS TRIPLE > > Ill Native Enterprises Carrollton,GA > > ------------ > This message is copyright: Thomas Liggin , > and the content is their responsibility. > The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider > assume no responsibility for the content of messages. > === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === Thanks for sharing your rxperience, Tom. You are probably better off driving home clutchless on deserted roads than trying to drive home in traffic, complete with stop signs and red lights (oh, joy!). Clutchless shifts CAN be accomplished with judicious throttle twiddling and a sensitive toe on the shift lever. The hard part is getting the 520-pound bicycle rolling so you can jab it into first gear without stalling the engine (try this with a car!). The other up/down shifts are pretty tame by comparison ("the bike fell on you while you were trying to do WHAT?"). The idea I want to throw out here is that a kit of spare parts should be carried on the longer road trips, and that a clutch cable should be on the list, just as a tire patch kit is, or a spare tube. How many of us don't even carry the toolkit that originally came with the bike? Herb - ------------ This message is copyright: mxtplk , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ From: mxtplk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:12:56 -0700 Subject: Re: WINDJAMMER Thomas Malmevik wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Jul 1997, Kurt Krueger wrote: > > > I hate to ask for this request as I love my triple the way it is but I > > am looking for a windjammer that will fit the 750 special as I just > > on my seca and soon on my triple...i have a sport windsheild that helps > alot....good luck on the windjammer...and hello from seattle area > > ****************************************** > *.........ride free or die...............* > *.....the Mumbles...........*8-}.........* > *82 650 seca................daily cruiser* > *77 XS750 2d....bored(1000cc)project bike****************************** > *96 Nash 27-5l........93 F350 tow and fun* Radiological Technologist * > *.....life member....good sam club.......* Computed Imaging Specialist* > *just an old longhaired hippie freak, man* Lead Technologist CT/Trauma* > *...riding and camping clean and sober...* Harborview Medical Center * > *.......we can never do alone............* Seattle Washington USA * > *.......what we can do together..........****************************** > ****************************************** > > ------------ > This message is copyright: Thomas Malmevik , > and the content is their responsibility. > The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider > assume no responsibility for the content of messages. > === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === Hi, Tom; Good stuff on winshields and fairings - my sentiments as well. The factory didn't build the "L" model just for the fun of it - there was a need begging to be filled. Curious about the 1000cc triple you have. Who did the work, and what was involved? How's it working out? Did you use a kit? $? Sorry about all the questions, but I've got "most" of a 750 engine sitting around just begging to be toyed with. Herb - ------------ This message is copyright: mxtplk , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ From: "Ryan E Hobart [I]" Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:45:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Dipstick I am sure if you check the archives that there are measurements for the factory dipstick, in fact if I remember correctly their were detailed instructions on how to make the dipstick. They were posted last year some time. I haven't checked but I think that they should be in the archive. Ryan - ------------ This message is copyright: "Ryan E Hobart [I]" , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ From: mxtplk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:48:00 -0700 Subject: Re: More oil discussion JED wrote: > > Michael Pearce wrote: > > (some snippage) > > But you'll spend half as much money ($1.50 vs $6.00). Ok, I'm ignoring the > > extra time for oil changes, and assumed that the cooling abilities are the > > same, but I think reasoning is sound. > > > > >From another point of view, lets assume that a synthetic gives you 20% more > > wear protection. And it's a big jump, but say this translates to 10% more > > engine life. So your engine lasts 55k miles/kilometers instead of 50k. Then > > you hav to do a rebuild earlier with organics than with synthetics. But you > > would have rebuilt anyway, so all you've done is bought time. Or you scrap > > it and buy a new one. In which case you'd have to go through 10? bikes > > before you "save" a new bike if you use synthetics in all your bikes. And > > how many people wear out just the engine in 10 bikes? Not many, unless > > their Harleys. > > > > Thats enought of my oil philosophy. Now I need to read some actual research > > from real data to see how faulty my reasoning is. > > > > Mike. > > I pretty much agree with this.I've never had a bike long enough to find > out and I've never had any trouble,so I can't really see the point in > spending money which I already have precious little of already. > I didn't buy this bike to keep forever and I don't know how long I'll > have it(probably another couple of years).Will I get another?I don't > know.I'm a strong believer in fate..... > JED. > ------------ > This message is copyright: JED , > and the content is their responsibility. > The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider > assume no responsibility for the content of messages. > === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === Right on, Mike and Jed! I'd like to submit some of my "oily" philosophy for your consideration: 1- Always buy oil on sale (including synthetics). 2- Always change the filter with the oil (why put clean oil through a dirty filter?). 3- Always buy a name brand of oil (Mobil, Exxon, etc.). 4- Change "natural" oil after 50 hours of use; change "synthetics" after 100 hours (hardly ever use synthetics, though). 5- Always change oil with the bike on the centerstand. 6- Never change oil in a cold engine. 7- Never change oil in clean clothes. 8- Never put used oil in the garbage - recycle it! My car loves Exxon Superlube (230,000 miles so far - oil pressure 29 psi at idle), oil + filter changed every 7,000 miles, so I figured that the bike would benefit from the same treatment, only shorter intervals. Motor oil is almost always on sale somewhere @ $8-11 per case. Where Gas is concerned, I just buy what's cheapest. ;-) Herb - ------------ This message is copyright: mxtplk , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ From: mxtplk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:58:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Sunday follies Chris Sansom wrote: > > Here's a pleasant way to spend a Sunday afternoon, when you can't > remember your last oil change and decide to do it just before a nice > ride on an uncommonly nice winter's day; try rounding off the bolt that > holds on the filter housing! After a succession of larger vice-grips to > no avail I decided on welding on a larger nut over the offending bolt. > > Groovy, worked well and you only have to lie on your back with the > electrode inches from your face and weld upside-down! > > Alls well that ends well and I promise to be more vigilant with my > changes from now on! > ------------ > This message is copyright: Chris Sansom , > and the content is their responsibility. > The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider > assume no responsibility for the content of messages. > === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === Ah, yesh! The 'ol vise-grips on the filter bolt thing! I went through that biz until a leak developed due to being unable to make the bolt any tighter to keep it from leaking. Found out that Yamaha has replacement bolts for $8. Now I use only a hex socket on the new bolt, not a 12-pointer, and a torque wrench like I'm supposed to. The leak stopped after the o-ring on the filter case was replaced. Live 'n learn! Herb - ------------ This message is copyright: mxtplk , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ From: Jeff Munson Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:01:05 -0700 Subject: Re: What model XS750??? JED wrote: > > According to dealers here,a 2D was a twin disc,dual exhaust version > of a D.Can anyone clear this up????? (Adam and rest of Jed snipped) Jed, I have one of the first "D" models built, and mine is a triple disk. Don't know about the exhaust. Mine came with a 3>1. Could have been factory...there's no markings on the pipe or muffler (it's certainly rusty enough to be original). Jeff - ------------ This message is copyright: Jeff Munson , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ From: Rene Chaddock Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:01:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Re-synthetic oils 'n stuff >> assume no responsibility for the content of messages. >> === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === > >Of course synthetics are carbon-based! What else could they be, and still >be compatible with "straight" automotive oils? Jeff, I bleeve you have >put your finger on the difference, though. I recall something from Chem. >101 about "co-valent" carbon bonds (is that right? Anyway, there are TWO >connections between the carbon atoms in the backbone of the carbon chain >in sytnthetic oil, with NO SINGLE CONNECTIONS, as in ordinary oil. all carbon bonds are covalent. if it was ionic, the stuff would dissolve. - -Rene - ------------ This message is copyright: Rene Chaddock , and the content is their responsibility. The owners/operators of basenji.com and their Internet provider assume no responsibility for the content of messages. === Email majordomo@basenji.com with "help" as the message for more info === ------------------------------ End of ytriples-l-digest V1 #186 ********************************